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« on: December 22, 2010, 10:29:53 AM »

I read a great article this morning, the main point of which is that, as atheists, many people are offended merely by our existence.  In the absence of an ability to combat our facts, we are criticized for being "rude" or "inconsiderate"... but what if we are as considerate as possible?  Many of us know all too well that the simple act of declaring yourself as an atheist--nothing more, nothing less--is enough to offend people.

Why is this?  Well, I think we all know that it's because "coming out" as an atheist causes insecure religious people to go into a mental frenzy and question their own beliefs, which they of course are not comfortable with.  So, in order to avoid actually thinking about the issue, they turn to rampant insulting and try to group atheists with drugs, murder, etc. Whatever they can to convince themselves that all atheists are terrible people.  It's the exact same kind of nonsense that allows people to think that every Muslim is a terrorist.

This is one of the fundamental reasons why I personally believe that it is important to declare yourself as an atheist, should you be asked of your beliefs.  I'm not saying you should go out of your way to "preach" things, but if someone asks you about your religious beliefs, don't just say "I'm not religious".  Say you are an atheist.  Why?  Because religious people need to realize that people they know are atheists.  It needs to be on their doorstep.  If their friend or relative is an atheist, it becomes much harder for them to ignorantly pretend that all atheists are child-molesting, drug-addicted, murdering, sociopaths. 

It brings us one step closer to preventing people from using willing ignorance and sensationalism to combat reality and common sense.

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Anyway, the article tackles that and has a really interesting example of a recent Christmas parade with an "atheist marching band".  The band didn't have any posters or flyers that said "celebrate reason this season", etc.  Nothing like that; they were just a normal marching band playing jingle bells, only their name was something like, "the atheist marching band". 

Sadly, as expected, it stirred quite a reaction from many people who attended the parade.  This is a huge gap that religious people--and more specifically, christians--are responsible for closing.  "We strive for acceptance of all of God's people... unless they're atheists... or muslims... or jewish... or... ..." ...you know what?  You're all stupid, but I digress.

If you follow the atheism debates in op-ed pieces and whatnot, you'll see that critiques of the so-called New Atheist movement are often aimed at our tone. Among the pundits and opinion-makers, atheist writers and activists are typically called out for being offensive, intolerant, disrespectful, extremist, hostile, confrontational, and just generally asshats. The question of whether atheists are, you know, right, typically gets sidestepped in favor of what is apparently the much more compelling question of whether atheists are jerks. And if these op-ed pieces and whatnot were all you knew about the atheist movement and the critiques of it, you might think that atheists were simply being asked to be reasonable, civil, and polite.

But if you follow atheism in the news, you begin to see a very different story.

You begin to see that atheists are regularly criticized -- vilified, even -- simply for existing.

Or, to be more accurate, for existing in the open. For declining to hide our atheism. For coming out.

Case in point: In Bryan/ College Station, Texas, the Brazos Valley Vuvuzela Atheist Marching Band recently marched in the annual Christmas parade. Now, let's be very clear about this: The 18-person marching band didn't march with signs saying "Fuck Your Religion," or "You Know It's A Myth," or even "There's Probably No God -- Now Stop Worrying and Enjoy Your Life." They wished people a merry Christmas, and a happy Hanukkah, and a merry Kwanzaa. They played "Jingle Bells" on vuvuzelas. And they carried a banner saying they were atheists.

Which was enough, apparently, to send many Christians into fits. The atheist presence in the Christmas parade created a substantial controversy in the area. One resident interviewed by the local news, Tina Corgey, said, "I spent many years teaching my children to love and respect other people and to love the fact that they were children of God and I don't feel that they should be influenced in any other way especially not at a Christmas parade." She added, "If you have younger children they weren't going to understand but I have older children, a teenager, 8-year-old and they were curious and they asked questions and it was hard for them to believe and understand that there are actually people out there that don't believe in God."

And she was hardly alone. Her sentiments were echoed in many comments on the local news story.

Click here to read the rest of the ridiculous comments from "outraged" parade attendees.  My personal "favorite":

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"If atheist are allowed to march in the parade, then maybe next year we can add some strippers advertising the silk stocking or how about some petafiles advertising their love for the kiddos! Those wouldn't be wrong, since we are wanting to be welcoming of everyone!"

Yeah, atheists are comparable to pedophiles (nice spelling, by the way... moron).


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« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2010, 03:06:38 PM »

I love it. I totally agree. I used to just say, "I'm not religious." But I now realize the importance of declaring yourself an atheist. I find most people then become more accepting and open to the idea if you just put it out there. Not only that, it seems that many people then will open up to you about their own insecurities/doubts about their beliefs and whatnot.  

I also love some of the "Most Read" articles listed on this site to the right.
"Study Confirms That Fox News Makes You Stupid"
"12 Year Olds Getting Bikini Waxes: Why Do Women Do Such Terrible Things to Their Vaginas? "
... etc.
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« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2010, 04:20:14 PM »

All very true Smiley

Also wow, haha, I hadn't even noticed those other articles.  That site is definitely full of win Cheesy
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« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2010, 01:39:15 PM »

No one needs to know anyone's religious beliefs. Just be private and tell the person asking to keep their fucking nose out of your fucking business.

Petafiles sounds like a bunch of files that make up a petabyte and kiddo is slang for pal. If we could figure out a way to allow 500 2TB hard drives to march down the street with signs advertising their love of pals I think the world would be a better place. After all, didn't every false prophet advertise love?
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« Reply #4 on: December 24, 2010, 09:36:52 PM »

I seem to oscillate between hard agnostic (there is no proof and there will never be proof of god) and a soft agnostic (there isn't any proof, but some day there might be); the way I see it declaring atheism, for me, brings a certainty to the situation that I don't have.

The problem that I have is that a lot of christians run around spouting this 'reason for the season' crap when the traditions we think of as christmas are an amalgamation of pagan holidays that christians absorbed through the years to be more enticing to aforementioned pagans to bolster their own ranks. The 'spirit of christmas' is a good thing that people should practice but to think that christians have a monopoly on it is as deluded as saying all atheists are heathen rape machines.
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« Reply #5 on: December 25, 2010, 10:53:04 AM »

Steve, if you're a "hard agnostic", you're an atheist.

For instance, Richard Dawkins (likely the most widely known atheist) rates himself as a "6 out of 7" on a 1-7 scale of atheism.

On a scale of 1 to 7, where 1 is certitude that God exists and 7 is certitude that God does not exist, Dawkins rates himself a 6: "I cannot know for certain but I think God is very improbable, and I live my life on the assumption that he is not there."



What you're saying is basically like when my mom says "I don't follow Catholic doctrine because I don't agree with all of it... but I'm still a Catholic".  No, you aren't, lol.  You just want to say that you are Catholic because you aren't comfortable with admitting that you aren't.
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« Reply #6 on: December 25, 2010, 10:54:32 AM »

oh yeah, talking in those terms I am an atheist.
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« Reply #7 on: December 25, 2010, 10:56:44 AM »

Well I mean those aren't really special terms though-- I don't think any Atheist with any sense would ever say that they could definitively or directly prove that there "is no god".  Just that it is infinitely irrational and extreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeemely unlikely, etc.  Even infinitely less likely still that, were there a god, or gods, it/they would be any of the ones that humans have made up.
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« Reply #8 on: December 25, 2010, 11:07:49 AM »

well I was running under the thought that atheism was people saying there is no god flat out. So I wasn't saying I was atheist because I didn't think it accurately described how I felt, but if atheism is that than I can can easily say I am.

I wasn't trying to make myself feel better about my views; I just was misunderstanding it slightly.
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« Reply #9 on: December 25, 2010, 11:12:10 AM »

Well I mean you're saying you believe in no god, but no smart person ever says that they are sure of something that no one can be sure of.  I look at it more as a .999... = 1 kind of thing.  There's a chance, but it's so infinitely low that it basically isn't a chance.  Again though, say that tiny chance were it, it's probably an all-seeing, all-knowing dung-beetle or something.  It's definitely not anything that christians or humans for that matter have thought up.  Those are all so clearly bullshit and fairy tales.

So no, I don't believe in deities, but I certainly wouldn't say that I was "100%" sure, more like 99.9% sure.
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« Reply #10 on: December 25, 2010, 01:26:11 PM »

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« Reply #11 on: December 25, 2010, 02:44:42 PM »

If the universe is infinite, then it is infinitely probable that some higher form of life does in fact exist.  If the universe is infinite, every conceivable, as well as inconceivable type of life exists, simply because it can.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
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« Reply #12 on: December 25, 2010, 02:57:02 PM »

"Higher being" implies something exterior to the laws of the universe, hence the term "higher", as in ascended from our reality.  What you said really isn't applicable.  Smoked.
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« Reply #13 on: December 25, 2010, 09:47:08 PM »

but we could be genetically engineered by aliens no?
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« Reply #14 on: December 25, 2010, 10:50:39 PM »

Yes, but they would not be omnipotent or "a higher being".  They'd be higher on the food chain, but not on another plain of existence or whatever.
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