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« on: December 03, 2007, 04:14:35 PM »

Thinking of getting a console for Christmas?  Good idea!  Maybe.  Are you happy with your PC hardware?  If not, The money you spend towards a console ($250-$700 including controllers and software) would be better spent towards upgraded computer hardware if your system needs it.  If so, a console is an excellent idea for expanding your gaming horizons.  So which do you choose?
 
I'm a big fan of Nintendo.  I have been since I was about two and got my first (of four) NES.  I also consider myself a "hardcore" gamer.  However, it surprises me how many people still think of Nintendo as the "baby brother" console company.  I assume the Mario games have something to do with it.  Or maybe it's Pokemon?  I wish someone would explain it to me.  The fact that Nintendo and third-party developers are working on games with a WIDE array of genres doesn't seem to matter to those people.



Maybe it's the fact that the Wii doesn't have the graphics capabilities of say...the PS3 or 360.  Yeah, that could have something to do with it.  My problem with that is this...Why do you want those systems anyway?  What game would you play on the PS3 or 360 that isn't better on the PC?  And by better I mean that the games are easier to control, faster, patch-able, and provide better multi-player support.  Hmm?  (If anyone would like further explanation on why PC games are better than console games, I will be happy to explain in detail in a future post.)
 
According to Gamespot, six of the top ten PS3 games are also available for PC.  Of the four that aren't (Rock Band, Ninja Gaiden Sigma, and NBA 2k8, and Resistance: Fall of Man) only Ninja Gaiden Sigma and Resistance are PS3 exclusives.  The Blu-ray player is nice I guess.  And I can certainly understand buying a PS3 instead of a blu-ray player if you are in the market for one.  Hell, I might do that myself some day.  If that's the reason you want a PS3 and you buy the PS3 exclusives to justify your investment, then I can totally understand that.  Anything you buy for the PS3 that is also available on PC, however, is just a dumb idea imo.

The story is the same for the Xbox 360.  Seven of the top ten games are also available for PC according to Gamespot.  Forza Motorsport 2, Halo 3, and Rock Band are the three that are not on PC.  The 360  also has the unfortunate quality of being made by Microsoft who is also pushing their "Games for Windows" campaign; in short, this means that a lot of games made for the Xbox will also be made for windows.  Further working against the 360 is the fact that unlike the PS3, the HD-DVD player is not included.  (I will say one thing in support of the Xbox.  The 360 is the only console with an extremely active online community.  It offers nothing that a PC cannot do, but as far as multiplayer communities go on consoles Microsoft made Live exactly what the console market needed.)

So what about the Wii?  How many top-ten Wii games are also available on the PC?  Any guesses?  I was thinking zero; if the answer had been zero I would not have been surprised.  However, there is one game in the Wii top ten that is available for PC and that is the Madden series.  The surprising part is that the other nine are ALL Wii exclusives.  Some of the highest rated video games of all time are also available on the Wii via Virtual Console download.  (And yes I'm aware that you can download these games on PC and use an emulator)  What's nice about the virtual console is that it isn't an emulation, it's the actual updated software running on the Wii.
 
The recent success of Nintendo assures that the Wii will be around for a LONG time.
 

"Nintendo of America said on Tuesday that it sold more Nintendo products during the week of Thanksgiving than at any other time in the company's history."



"We are doing all we can to ensure that the unprecedented demand for Wii can be met as far as possible in the run up to Christmas."


Nintendo says it is working at maximum capacity in producing 1.8 million Wii units per month.
 
This popularity will FORCE developers to make their games for the Wii.  Which will, in turn, bring more "adult" games to the console if that is your biggest concern about getting one.  Furthermore, if you find the Motion Sensor technology to be a little "gimmicky" you'll be happy to know that some of the best games on the Wii use it more of an extra dimension of control rather than primary controls.  For example, in Zelda the Wii-mote is used for aiming the bow and arrow and that's about it as far as motion goes.  (Sword swings are made with minor wii-mote movement.  Not arm flailing.)

I could talk about price, but I won't.  I could talk about innovation, but I won't.  I will however say this, the Wii is still a console.  It is not perfect, and I don't want to come across as being what I like to call a "gaming" snob (PS2 owners had a big problem with this a few years ago).  Your PC is still the best video game purveyor you own and buying a Wii isn't going to keep you from fragging nubs in COD4; It is however a decent distraction from waiting for a new Half-Life episode to come out or WoW expansion to be released.  It's the best disctraction.  Go get one...if you can find one on the shelves that is.
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« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2007, 06:19:36 PM »

Good post, Kolby, front paged it. 

It has good information and poses the same questions that most of us PC gamers are always asking and never get good answers from the console-heads.  We probably never will, but nonetheless, they are good questions.

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I wish you had gone into more depth of explanation of the Wii Virtual Console, since it's a HUGE selling point, and one that most people are actually unaware of, or mislead as far as how it works.  Also a mention of the Gamecube controller support for the Wii is also good, especially when arguing against those who are turned off by the Wii-Mote.

I would also liked to have seen more depth overall with more support for your points.  I'm mostly concerned with the argumentative strength for those who aren't already on the Wii / PC bandwagon.  I agree with you on all of your points, but they could use more support for those who aren't "in the choir", like myself.  I think you got generally the point across, however.

Good job sir, now make more phatty posts or posts in general, because you're sexy.


P.S. I fixed your quotes and formatted them properly.
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« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2007, 11:22:54 PM »

Systems i play: PC: 70% 360:29.99% Wii (yes, i have all the games worth having): 0.01%.

I like it, i like the games, i like the movement, but i just don't play it. Pretty sure a whole lot of people have this issue.
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« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2007, 11:34:56 PM »

PC: 99.98%
Wii:.02%  (only when i got to my friends house... bring Mario Party and Mario Vs. Sonic Olympics... Wii is my party console.)

After i get the PS3 for Christmas... i am thinking like 150% of time on it... yes that means i have to give up one of my basic functions...not sure which one yet..i the breathing is a waste of time either that or eating have not decided yet.
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« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2007, 05:07:23 AM »

What game are you going to play lol?
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« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2007, 10:35:02 AM »

What game are you going to play lol?
i would get a PS3 just for ratchet and clank, i love those games.
BUT i have my sights set on higher things, such as an electronic drum set, followed by recording stuff, followed by another drumset Cheesy with cymbals in the middle of course
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« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2007, 11:43:27 AM »

Lair, Assassin's Creed, Guitar Hero 3, Ratchet, CoD4...i don't know why?
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« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2007, 01:07:27 PM »

lair which surveys say is terrible because it's impossible to control and games (besides R&C) that DEFINATELY run better on 360?

Idk, just pointing out that this is a hell of a way to spend 800 dollars.
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« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2007, 01:14:30 PM »

Heavenly Sword... FF13 or whatever they are up to now... Playstation has many cool games assocated with it IMO...
RPG types atleast... Wii has NONE and NONE scheduled to come out./sigh


i had a X-box and was disappointed in how it seemed to only have a few game that rocked on it.. Knights of the Old republic 1 (2 sucked imo), halo1 (halo 2 was ok) (halo3 never played) can't think of anything else i played on X-box...

back to PS3 Force unleashed WILL BE MINE!!!
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« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2007, 12:04:19 PM »

Exclusive content is the only reason to get a console over a computer game. although I don't desire to buy another console ever again (PS2 runs guitar hero 3 just fine), Mass Effect and Christmas bonus burning a hole in my pocket makes it pretty damned tempting. I think it's always been that way and to quote diggnation, "Nintendo has the *shit's fun* market cornered". The Wii-mote basically makes all games that take advantage of it an exclusive title.
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« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2007, 03:40:44 AM »

RPG types atleast... Wii has NONE and NONE scheduled to come out./sigh

final fantasy crystal cronicals 2 (wii exclusive) and fire emblem (wii exclusive) are coming out on the wii
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« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2008, 12:40:11 PM »

More food for thought.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/editorials/zeropunctuation/1383-Zero-Punctuation-Console-Rundown
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« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2008, 02:20:22 PM »

Gotta love that guy.  He write for the backspace in PCGamer now.
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« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2008, 01:09:51 AM »

well i've never really had that much of a gaming life outside of the computer(first console was PS, and i just got my PS2 excluding GBA) now i play at my friends houses and stuff. now sure i went crazy with guitar hero(borrowed it and stuff) and SSBM(my friends keeps his gamecube in the trunk so yeah, has a Wii) but i've just gotten back into gaming(Nintendo DS/PS2) and i don't see why people don't play the Wii. i want to just get a Wii for brawl, but however my friend showed me the path into Wii Gaming, Super mario galaxy actually made me think to some extent and it was alot of fun, Metroid Prime 3 was fun, and took time(and frustration >.<, but which one didn't) resident evil was always a fear for me until 4, i had SO MUCH FUCKING FUN, but i played it on the Gamecube. My Friend has a Xbox 360 with halo 3 and such, but the only game that really interests me is assassins creed because its just so damn beautiful(the lookout spots repeated looky thing never bores me) and the thrill of fighting and getting away with it, as well as the frustration of trying to kill people without getting caught at all. the PS3 always interested me since Final Fantasy, and Devil May Cry. out of the 3 systems i like the Wii the most, but i would get a PS3 over it, since there are alot more games than i'm interested in on it. the PS3 is probably going to pull up, i've always thought of the Wii as played, but Xbox was always overrated to me.
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« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2008, 03:58:16 PM »

Just an update to this thread...

Recently I received a total of $356 in trade-in's at gamestop.  I bought a Wii game (No More Heroes, which turned out to be disappointing btw) and then after about a week of debating what I should get with the rest I bought a used 40gb PS3 for a whopping $17 cash after my in-store credit.  Mainly for the blu-ray as anticipated in my original post.

I thought I would do a quick overview of my thoughts since becoming a PS3 owner.  First, blu-ray is awesome and the fact that I got a blu-ray player for $17 still makes me chuckle.  In short, though, my opinion hasn't really changed since my original post.  The Playstation Network(Sony's equivalent to xbox live) has been the only real surprise.  The online play is lag free in all games I have played.  Downloadable content leaves something to be desired but I've read that it's because  there haven't been any updates in awhile because they are completely redoing the Network Store.

Any game recommendations would be great...so far I've played Orange Box, Ninja Gaiden Sigma, Burnout Pardise, Army of Two, and Condemned 2.  I haven't finished any of them because they aren't that good...
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