Internet Explorer 8 is everything I thought it would be and more!

[MetalMusicMan]

So I downloaded the beta for Internet Explorer 8, and it really exceeded my expectations!  My expectations were for it to still be a useless browser but incorporate even more pointless features... and Microsoft exceeded those expectations by making IE8 all of those things, and also making it...

A huge, steaming pile of shit that will cause me even MORE grief when it comes to coding. 

Here's a screenshot of what my forum looks like in the Internet Explorer 8 Beta Browser:


Notice that the images have many blank spaces between them, due to the tables not being read correctly, and the whole image is shifted down, leaving a blank space at the top.  In addition, the forum menu is aligned left, instead of centered, and the site menu is aligned RIGHT instead of left. 

Let's see, if you were making a browser, would you want it to render things oppositely of how they were coded?  HOW IS IT EVEN POSSIBLE THAT IE8 IS WORSE AT CODING THAN IE7?! HOW?!


How anyone could make IE *worse* when it comes to coding is beyond me.
IE7 is a big enough bitch to code for as it is-- let me give you an idea of what coding is like for a web designer right now.   

• Make your graphical layout.
• Organize the layout into HTML/PHP for web publishing.
• Publish the site and view it in Mozilla Firefox while gazing upon your flawless, beautiful creation.
• Open up IE7 and cross your fingers, hoping that everything will work out the same.
• Bash face into keyboard 9,000 times in a row when you see that it looks like shit in IE7 and all of your code needs to be reworked.
• Rework code to work in IE7 for at least 5 hours.

I went through almost those exact same steps when I first redisgned the site to have a spanning (not static) layout.  It was such a pain in the ass to get IE7 to work correctly, but since it's the "World's most used browser!" you HAVE TO code for it.  And now that IE8 is coming out, I'm going to have to rework the whole fucking code AGAIN?! ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME!?  Why the hell should the coding change for a new browser based off of the same architecture?

Microsoft really has their head up their asses with this one--but that's nothing new.

I suppose the "correct" answer for why the coding would change is because Microsoft is all giddy over having support for the "Acid 2 Test".  Basically the Acid 2 test uses very "new and advanced" coding techniques to display a smiley face, and if your browser can display it, it has the honor of being dubbed "Acid 2 Compatible".

Here's a picture of the Acid 2 Test in Firefox2 / IE7:

Here's a picture of the Acid 2 Test in Firefox3 / IE8 Betas:

HOORAY!  WE HAVE AN UNNECESSARY SMILEY FACE!
But wait... what's that you say?  Firefox 3 ALSO passed the Acid 2 Test?  Yes, as a matter of fact, it did.  And guess what? 

Firefox 3 Beta also renders my website and every other website in existence PERFECTLY!

So then, having support for Acid 2 doesn't mean that it will cause less support for normal, standard browsing?

THEN WHAT THE FUCK IS YOUR EXCUSE, MICROSOFT?  WHAT POSSIBLE REASON COULD YOU HAVE FOR MAKING IE8 NOT RENDER TABLES CORRECTLY? 

FUCKING FIREFOX DISPLAYED YOUR BELOVED SMILEY FACE, AND THEY DON'T SUCK BALLS AT READING TABLES!  SO WHY?!!? WHY?!!?!?!?!?


Fuck you Microsoft, I hope you are happy with your technologically advanced, over-sized emoticon.

[Yoggi]

i havent used IE for years... i <3 my fox of fire

[amd940]

dude, i totally fucking agree. i'm in the business of web design and i swear to fucking god that IE is the worst piece of shit ever.

www.spydrzclan.com
www.ccgwr.org

there's some of my shit but it's still a work in progress. :/

however, i do like some of the new features such as the accelerator and the fact that it's much more visually appealing but i would never move back to IE from FF3.

oh, and kudos on your Vista rant. it's pretty much all true.

[MetalMusicMan]

dude, i totally fucking agree. i'm in the business of web design and i swear to fucking god that IE is the worst piece of shit ever.

www.spydrzclan.com
www.ccgwr.org

there's some of my shit but it's still a work in progress. :/

however, i do like some of the new features such as the accelerator and the fact that it's much more visually appealing but i would never move back to IE from FF3.

oh, and kudos on your Vista rant. it's pretty much all true.

Haha, thanks for the props, glad to see someone else spreading the word on how retarded IE is, and how Vista is definitely not terrible.

I like the golden wings on the ccgwr website, did you make them yourself or are they captures from something?

Hope to see you around here on the site in the future

[spidey]

does the Emulate IE7 button make it right? just curious since you took the time to format the site for IE7.

[MetalMusicMan]

yeah, putting IE8 in IE7 emulate works fine.  Plus I recoded this site when I did the new layout and it seems to be fine in IE8 now-- it's still stupid that you have to baby it though.

[spidey]

yea. i didnt see the dates on this thread at first. welcome new guy.

[amd940]

Haha, thanks for the props, glad to see someone else spreading the word on how retarded IE is, and how Vista is definitely not terrible.

I like the golden wings on the ccgwr website, did you make them yourself or are they captures from something?

Hope to see you around here on the site in the future

Thanks man. The wings on the picture are actually a photo of plastic wings for a costume that I found on Google and then modified in Photoshop. 

Thanks for the welcome; I will definently be around here in the future. I came across your site earlier today when I was looking for a picture of "The Intel Incident". lol

[MetalMusicMan]

Haha, thanks for the props, glad to see someone else spreading the word on how retarded IE is, and how Vista is definitely not terrible.

I like the golden wings on the ccgwr website, did you make them yourself or are they captures from something?

Hope to see you around here on the site in the future

Thanks man. The wings on the picture are actually a photo of plastic wings for a costume that I found on Google and then modified in Photoshop. 

Thanks for the welcome; I will definently be around here in the future. I came across your site earlier today when I was looking for a picture of "The Intel Incident". lol

It's amazing what you can change and manipulate with photoshop with just a little bit of source imagery, isn't it?  Sometimes it looks nothing like what you started with, haha.

Here's one of my favorite manipulations I've done: http://www.metalmusicman.com/forum/index.php/topic,761.msg6304.html#msg6304

Feel free to register if you like

[amd940]

oh, wow. that's really good man. your photoshop skillz far surpass mine. =]

how long did it take you to get this site up and running?

[MetalMusicMan]

oh, wow. that's really good man. your photoshop skillz far surpass mine. =]

how long did it take you to get this site up and running?

Well I've been running it for about (GASP!) exactly 2 years as of last month!  I missed the 2 year anniversary!?!? lmfao, wow.   But some of our members are also from my old WoW guild, Ruin, and I ran that site for about 3 or so years.

Anyway designing it and stuff, it's been through 2 revisions, the original being the yellow-ish looking one in the picture at the top of the thread.  Each layout probably took me a few days.  Doing the graphics usually only takes about 5-20 hours to get everything perfect, but the coding sometimes has taken me days or a weeks of off and on working. 

Especially this revision, since I used CSS and had to teach myself that as best as I could as I worked my way through mapping out the code for the layout to get it to look how I wanted.

So, a while-- but most of that time was spent on looks.  The forum is easy to setup because SMF is a really great and free forum.  I use it as a backend/content management system, which is pretty unorthodox, but works perfectly for us here.  Personally I like it better than Wordpress or the other "real" content management solutions.

[amd940]

Haha, wow, that's pretty awesome. I didn't know about SMF but it seems pretty sweet, especially since it's free! =] I was gonna use Invision Power Board but it's $150, which is a bit of money for a forum, especially since I want a EVGA 260GTX. lol   Is SMF a bit like Joomla! except with a forum built in?

Btw, I just figured out that AJAX requests don't fucking work in IE8!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  >=[

[MetalMusicMan]

I haven't actually used Joomla, so I can't say.  But yeah, SMF is really awesome and I have never understood why people would pay for IPB or vBulliten when they really don't have anything on SMF, haha.

[amd940]

lol, I'm definently gonna have to check it out. Was it pretty easy to integrate into the rest of the site?

[MetalMusicMan]

lol, I'm definently gonna have to check it out. Was it pretty easy to integrate into the rest of the site?

Ermn, that depends on how good you are with coding, I suppose.  Personally, I'm not much good at coding, I just tackle what I need to to get what I want done.  I can do HTML just fine, and a good portion of CSS, and can read and edit existing PHP, but that's about it. 

So for me, it's not hard now, but it was a bitch when I first started with it, lol.

If you're a coder at heart (I'm more of a graphics guy) it would probably be pretty easy, though.